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Westthorn Colliery nowhere near Westhorn Recreation ground

There are claims that there was coal mining on Celtic’s purchased Westhorn/Westthorn land. This a lie.

Westthorn Colliery

In the 1828-29 Post Office directory there are three entries for Westthorn Colliery all at 41 Dunlop St:

WC1

WC2

WC3

Now Dunlop St doesn’t exist any more but a handy site shows what it is called now:

Dunlop st Corbett St

And where is Corbett St, Tollcross? Well it’s miles away passed the cemetery on the other side of London Road. The Westthorn Estate was large. Celtic’s land is miles west of the colliery.

Dunlop st is now Corbett St Tollcross Westthorn Colliery

There were also a couple of accidents in 1810-1811 mentioned at Westthorn/West-thorn in the Scottish Mining website.

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11 thoughts on “Westthorn Colliery nowhere near Westhorn Recreation ground

  1. It’s a different postcode are than Westhorn

    Posted by Alan Parker | February 21, 2014, 10:04 am
  2. Following up your research on Dunlop street, this link takes you to where it is on current mapping

    http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/167578/details/glasgow+tollcross+corbett+street+farm/

    It’s on a different historical Os sheet, bottom left corner, what is now Tollcross

    http://maps.nls.uk/view/74427696

    Bit of history on it here:

    http://www.glasgowhistory.co.uk/Memories/Tollcross%201.htm

    Seems to be nowhere near Westhorn.

    Posted by Big Joe Canoe | February 21, 2014, 2:08 pm
  3. Keep up the good work buddy, feel free to delete and reuse.

    I’ve been trying to dig into the history of Westthorn, and it all starts around the story of Harvey’s Dyke

    http://www.glasgowhistory.co.uk/Books/Tollcross&Dalbeth/TollcrossCHapters/Harvies.htm

    Basically chap had a good bit of money and lived there, it was known as the Westthorn estate. Story of Harvey’s Dyke is around 1822, so matching up with your 1828-29 article, there was no Colliery on that land. The guy lived there, it was his country estate. He even went so far as to build a great big wall to try to stop people walking along the river in front of his estate, I very much doubt he’d have built a coal mine next to it.

    Seems like this chap Harvey went bankrupt in 1834 trying to fight a court action (went to House of Lords) that the land wasn’t public right of way

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3qoDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=%22Thomas+Harvey%22+westthorn&source=bl&ots=MP_akWBwI0&sig=Ykir1koVm0RHYIN7BGf19jsFK4M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QVEHU8i2LYKGhQeQyIHYAg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22Thomas%20Harvey%22%20westthorn&f=false

    Westhorn in 1858, note no colliery or coal pit in the Westhorn area. Coal pits are marked up on the map as per the red circle (the pit is called Springbank Pit (coal)). I’ve highlighted on the picture at http://postimg.org/image/53xnwb0d1/

    Original at

    http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/record/nls/2315/ordnance-survey-six-inch-mile-lanarkshire-sheet-vi/os6inch

    When you read the history of the Westhorn Allotments, it seems like the land was then sold to the Council Water Committee for reservoirs, I’m assuming this was post bankruptcy. So from a country estate to reservoir for water, no history of coal mining on the site.

    http://www.gah.org.uk/Portals/0/Allotments/GeneralGlasgow/Documents/Heritage%20booklet%20for%20web.pdf

    Reservoirs were built by 1895

    http://maps.nls.uk/view/82891806

    Posted by Big Joe Canoe | February 21, 2014, 2:19 pm
  4. Found this as well, delete as you see fit

    MUNICIPAL GLASGOW

    Water from the River Clyde is, however, still used for manufacturing purposes. Under Acts of Parliament obtained in 1866, 1873, ^^id 1879 arrangements were made and carried out for removing the weir which used to stand across the river a little above Hutchesontown Bridge, and for supplying Clyde water to manufacturers from a public system of pumping- engines, reservoirs, and distributing pipes. This public supply takes the place of the private suction pipes and pumps owned by a number of firms whose premises lay near the river. Much of the original private machinery for drawing water from the Clyde became ineffective through the lowering of the level of the water consequent on the removal of the weir. The public supply was partly to compensate for this loss. The pumping station and reservoirs are situated at Westthorn, on land immediately to the east of that owned by the Corporation, and occupied by the Belvidere Hospital. The works consist of an engine-house containing two separate condensing
    horizontal pumping engines of 80 horse-power each, together with the necessary boilers and relative appliances. These engines raise water from the river into two reservoirs with a total capacity each of about four millions
    of gallons. The top-water level of these reservoirs is at a sufficient elevation to enable the water to be delivered into tanks placed at convenient heights above the ground within works situated in the districts of Bridgeton, Hutchesontown, etc., where it is intended to be used. The water is dis- tributed from the reservoirs by a large main with suitable branches. The leading main is at first 42 inches in diameter, it goes from Westthorn by way of Springfield Road, Dalmarnock Road, and Adelphi Street to Main Street, Bridgeton. Here it is diminished to 36 inches diameter. It continues down Newhall Street and across Glasgow Green to the Clyde opposite Govan Street. The main here crosses the river, and is continued along Govan Street to Crown Street where it ends. The diameter on the south side is gradually diminished from 36 ins. to 1 2 ins.

    The amount of water delivered by these works is over two-and-a-half millions of gallons per working day. The price to ordinary consumers is 15s. per 100,000 gallons, being rather less than half the price of Loch Katrine water. To certain firms whose interests were specially protected by the Acts of Parliament the price is fixed for definite quantities at 5s. 6d. per 100,000 gallons.

    http://www.archive.org/stream/glasgowitsmunici00bell/glasgowitsmunici00bell_djvu.txt

    Posted by Big Joe Canoe | February 21, 2014, 4:53 pm
  5. And it seems like GCC had no problems building the Athlete’s village on the site of an old water works, so it can’t be risky

    http://www.wosas.net/news/dalmarnock.html

    Posted by Big Joe Canoe | February 21, 2014, 4:59 pm
  6. More detail here on the Athlete’s Village waterworks, doesn’t look like they’re too upset at it

    http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9427&start=15

    Found this as well showing Westthorn reservoirs being built in 1865

    http://www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/7592/pages/1560/page.pdf

    Posted by Big Joe Canoe | February 21, 2014, 5:06 pm
  7. http://parkheadhistory.com/?page_id=3477

    according to this site westhorn was an old football ground at one time called new barrowfield ground

    Posted by gary platt | February 25, 2014, 6:41 pm
  8. still trying to figure out how to use this site you’ll maybe have more luck
    http://coal.decc.gov.uk/en/coal/cms/services/records/records.aspx

    not sure if this would be of any use this is a sample of what a coal mine report would look like
    http://coal.decc.gov.uk/assets/coal/mining%20reports/5540-enviro-allinone-residential-on-scotland.pdf

    Posted by gary platt | February 25, 2014, 7:02 pm
  9. Keep up the good work my friend , you are legend …

    Posted by Samsungblue | February 25, 2014, 10:52 pm

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